252: Behind Closed Doors: Unraveling the PR Spin of Celebrity Affairs

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When it comes to the tangled web of celebrity relationships, people love to follow every twist and turn, but the court of public opinion becomes like a magnifying glass and starts scrutinizing every single move when things go sideways, like in these cases.

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New Couple Alert Ariana Grande is dating her wicked co-star, ethan Slater, a source telling ET.

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They have a lot in common and have a lot of fun.

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I was unfaithful, I had affairs, I cheated.

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The couple met on the set of the hit movie Mr and Mrs Smith in 2004, and the rest was basically history.

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They immediately started dating because of their undeniable chemistry, even though Brad was actually married to Jennifer Aniston at the time.

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I'm here today to again apologize for the personal mistakes I have made and the embarrassment I have caused.

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I make this apology to my neighbors and my constituents, but I make it particularly to my wife Huma.

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Adam Levine, speaking out after an Instagram model accuses him of cheating on his wife, beatty Prinslew.

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Essentially, I was having an affair with a man who's married to a Victoria's Secret model.

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Next on the list, this recent revelation that Broadway actor Ethan Slater I know, who has stirred it up with pop singer Ariana Grande.

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So now social media, the press TikTok, is abusing.

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Everyone likes a good scandal, me included.

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Let's chat about messy, messy celebrity affairs and the PR spin that people use to deny them.

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Welcome to the Indestructible PR Podcast, where we use current events and test media and PR strategies to help prevent or manage a crisis and build an indestructible reputation.

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In this episode, let's explore the delicate dance of public perception and the challenges that many celebrities face when their personal lives are thrust into the spotlight over a messy, messy affair.

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So let's discuss how navigating these celebrity affairs require a fine balance of honesty, authenticity and a little bit of discretion so it doesn't ruin their career.

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Disclaimer I think it's fair to say that anyone can use these lessons, though it is not advised to need them.

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The alternative title for this podcast episode how to Survive a Celebrity Affair lessons from Ariana Grande and Ethan Slater.

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Now I could have recorded an entire podcast around these two.

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But I know a lot of people listening right now.

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When they hear the name Ethan Slater they go what, who is this person?

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Go ahead, if you're at your desk right now, just jump it into the goog and see the results.

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And then look at that and go hmm, Celebrity affairs are nothing new In Hollywood.

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They go way, way back.

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They cause a lot of damage.

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Back in the day before we had serious tabloid press, everywhere in social media and everybody holding a phone, it was a lot easier for publicist and managers to hide these covert relationships.

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But nowadays it is very, very difficult for anyone to get away with anything, whether you're a celebrity or not, tracking technology and phones and everyone knowing everyone's business and GPS and ring cameras and all of it.

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Anyone could be exposed at any moment and it can cause a lot of damage to a reputation.

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So, whether it's a one night stand or a long term relationship, cheating on your spouse or your partner, although never, ever advised, usually has serious consequences to a personal and professional life.

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So how does one handle an aftermath of a public infidelity scandal without losing fans, your friends or your career?

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Here's the point where I will add another disclaimer.

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I am by no means recommending, suggesting forgiving the act of cheating on a partner or a spouse.

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I'm looking at this not as a playbook for how to get out of it.

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No, I'm looking at it more from curiosity, tracking how people respond.

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After all, this is what I do.

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I'm always looking for responses because public relations is always tied in to human relations, and how humans react when they are on the spot will forever fascinate me, for a very meta reason.

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Now, how do celebrities navigate the PR when it comes to these types of affairs or cheating scandals?

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Before we get into the actual couples themselves, let's just talk about why do celebrities have affairs?

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What's the reason behind it?

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Now, obviously there's a lot of factors involved.

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We don't know what they are.

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I don't know what they are.

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I'm not personally involved in these types of matters, but I certainly follow them.

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But it's easy to assume that in just relationships in general, you have two personalities, you have compatibility, you have communication.

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Is it good, is it bad?

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We have measures of satisfaction I'll just leave it at that and then we just have people who are bored out of their minds.

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So having an affair is not just exclusive to celebrities, but celebrities have something a little bit different because they have a higher level of power and fame and likely money and some combination thereof.

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There's also the piece of the reputation.

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If your current partner matching the current partner and the partner going after, are they a high mate value add.

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In other words, are they dating up, are they dating down?

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See Ariana Grande and Ethan Slater and by no means I'm not dunking on either one of them.

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I'm especially not dunking on Ethan.

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We will get back to him.

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But when you read about this latest scandal you go huh, huh, it makes sense, yet sometimes it doesn't All right.

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So now, when we get into the celebrity world, the celebrity mind, I'm gonna make a broad generalization here.

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In many cases we're talking about men who are leaving wives to go off and have these affairs.

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And why would they do it?

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Okay, this is what my quick research says in just my brain common sense One.

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They like the thrill of the chase, the risk takers.

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They perhaps prefer to find a partner or someone where they don't need accountability, they don't need to answer to someone.

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Maybe they're feeling underappreciated.

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Maybe they're feeling neglected.

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Maybe they're ignored in their current relationship, they're bored in it, they feel like a prop, they don't feel special anymore.

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They don't feel attractive, they don't feel desired, until someone comes along to make them feel that way.

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Now, of course, these are not reasons to justify our excuse having an affair.

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I know 99.9% of the people listening to this podcast episode right now they're not celebrities.

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Oh, there may be celebrities out there.

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Do not have affairs.

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Do not follow these playbook, because I'm just gonna give you a little highlight right now bottom line, up front.

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No one has really done it.

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Well, no one really has written the playbook on this, so that's why I wanted to look into it.

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Okay, now there is risk to having affairs for celebrities in the past.

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Like you think back all the movies LA Confidential, gosh I love that movie.

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That was when Russell Crowe was oh God, he was so cute back then.

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But you think about blackmail.

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You think about legal troubles.

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You just think about the reputation hit that people take again mostly guys, but not that women don't do it.

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Because if we're looking at Ariana Grande and Ethan Slater, so these two reportedly have had an affair while they're filming the movie adaptation of Wicked.

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Now, I didn't even know that they were doing this.

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I had certainly heard about the affair, but I didn't know that they were filming this movie, wicked.

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I remember reading that book with my book club years and years ago and I struggled so mightily to get through that book.

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And then I remember when Wicked was doing their national tour before they hit Broadway and I thought how did they turn that absolutely boring book into a Broadway musical?

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And look at it now it's killing it and now it's a movie.

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Now it's a movie and it's not.

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It ain't boring, that is for sure.

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Now, ariana Grande she has a history of being with men.

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I'm not gonna go deep into it, but the rap on her.

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She's dated a lot of people.

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I mean, she's a pop singer, she's a pop star.

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Part of the whole appeal in the publicity behind it is who you're dating.

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So she has been dating for a while.

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So her first relationship or record that I saw with Graham Phillips, that was in 2008, when she was only 15 years old.

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So they were both in the Broadway musical 13.

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Ah, the through line starts there and it will come all the way to the end.

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Okay, then she was dating someone else, a YouTube star, who she met on Twitter.

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Then there was another guy named Nathan Sykes.

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She collaborated on a song with them.

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Okay, we're continuing the through line.

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And then she started dating a rapper, big Sean, who was in a relationship.

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You can call me out on this one.

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I don't think they were engaged yet.

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They were dating.

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And then they became engaged the late Glee star, naya Rivera.

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So in her book Sorry, not Sorry she recounted how she found Ariana Grande in his home while they were still dating.

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So she didn't name Ariana Grande in her book.

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She said Shmariana Shmande in her book.

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Well Done, she spoke with a lawyer.

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Then she dated a backup dancer.

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Then there was Mac Miller.

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So he is we're gonna call him a rapper.

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That's who I associate her dating.

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They broke up.

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He died of a drug overdose.

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Then she went to Pete Davidson.

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Pete Davidson was dating Kazi David, larry David's daughter.

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Mac Miller was dating someone as well, and then now she was just broke their relationship with Dalton Gomez.

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It was a real estate agent.

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So the through line there.

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So we're not gonna blame everything on Ethan Slater.

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We're gonna set the table how it should be set.

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That Ariana Grande has let's just call it a pattern here when it comes to how she falls into this relationship.

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She falls into them with collaborators, singers, rappers, artists.

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She has a real estate agent thrown in there.

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Maybe she was just trying to go normal, but she gets entangled in these.

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She goes after the unattainable and people do that People.

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There is risk and there is excitement in the chase when you can go after someone who's wholly unattainable.

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Now, ethan Slater so far has not made any public statement about this affair.

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Now, ethan Slater, he was in SpongeBob SquarePants Playing the role of SpongeBob SquarePants and it fits he's also playing the role of a munchkin, I believe, who falls in love with Glinda, who is Ariana Grande.

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Okay, and apparently the two of them were not really hiding their affection for each other during the rehearsals.

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Now, because of the writer's strike and the SAG strike, after the movie is on hold, now that comes into play in the public relations response because the studio doesn't have to determine.

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Oh, what do we do?

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Do we get rid of Ethan Slater?

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Do we just chuck the whole thing?

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Now?

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I don't think that's gonna happen.

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It puts the public response on pause because there isn't a risk while the movie is on hold.

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There's some risk, but not a lot of it.

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So he hasn't said anything.

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But according to sources, which these are the leaks he told his wife, lily J.

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Well, we met in high school.

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They've been together since high school.

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They had a son last November, but according to sources, he wanted to divorce a few days before.

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The media reported this relationship with Grande.

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Could be true, likely, not true.

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Other sources are claiming that Slater and Grande were both separated from their spouses.

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Now, that is a narrative.

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We hear a lot in these divorces that, oh, behind the scenes, we were already separated, not buying this one.

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So for those of you keeping score, ethan and Ariana Grande are no comment whatsoever.

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Now, who has commented via a friend or a publicist is Ethan Slater's wife, lily J, who was quote blindsided by this revelation about her husband, which was brilliant.

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I did a quick TikTok about that because it landed in page six as an exclusive.

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So that means Lily J knows someone, or knows someone who knows someone that understands PR, and they just drop it to page six, which is New York Post's gossip comb.

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So there we go.

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So that was nice.

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So she has already framed it.

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Ethan and I did not talk about this.

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I was blindsided.

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All right, moving along Now, certainly, depending on where you fall, age-wise, generation-wise, some of these affairs, these scandals, you're going to remember, some you may not Now again, if we're looking for through lines of what people do or if there is a playbook and one that should not be followed, there is always a denial.

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There's some form of a denial, because every scandal that I have ever followed involving some alleged affair or fall out from an affair, there is always a narrative being pushed to see if they can get away with it, similar to oh, my wife and I discussed this before it went public.

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There's always a narrative of oh, there were other problems, or touching on, things weren't great at home.

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Kind of the Ben Affleck sitting down with Howard Stern when he was discussing.

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He was on a marathon interview with Howard Stern during the pandemic and he was doing promotion for an upcoming movie and he was discussing his marriage to Jennifer Garner.

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Now he isn't quote, there's an asterisk on him.

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That relationship did not break up over an affair per se.

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It was really the incompatibility of their lifestyles.

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Ben struggled with addiction and Blind Gossip would say that he's had multiple, multiple, multiple affairs.

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So I think any reasonable person could look at that relationship and know what Jennifer Garner was dealing with.

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But because Ben Affleck deals with addiction, reasonable people can assume why that was happening.

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But he made a comment during that very long interview where he had stated that Jennifer Garner he just said he couldn't live in it anymore, he was almost casting her in this kind of boring life and that he was so miserable in his marriage that he had to leave his marriage.

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Now, even when I was listening to that and I was watching it, I knew he didn't mean that.

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He was mostly talking about his struggles and how much he was suffering.

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But it came out in a way where it looked like he was blaming Jennifer Garner and he got a lot of pushback for that.

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And I don't think he was.

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But that shows why the blaming narrative just doesn't work.

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People can see right through it and in many cases they just do it, I think, because they're gonna roll the dice, see if it works.

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They know it's not gonna work, but if you put that type of narrative out there, maybe you can just kind of squeeze through All right.

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So let's start jumping into some of the celebrities.

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If you remember the first one, john Mulaney I recently did a podcast about John Mulaney because he came out with a new Netflix comedy special titled Baby J and I had stated on my TikTok post and now on Instagram as well that I believe that Baby J was his official public statement for his divorce.

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Because what happened is John Mulaney made a lot of money as a comedian, in part talking about his relationship and then his marriage to Anna Marie Tendler.

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She is a photographer and artist, she was a lampshade designer.

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She's kind of one of these cool hip chicks and they had real kind of cool hip relationship because he always talked about her, you know, in his bit, and they had a dog, petunia.

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But then things went real sideways for John Mulaney when it was revealed that he and Olivia Munn were together and the timeline was very, very messy.

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Now the reason why we know that he cheated on his wife, anna Marie Tendler, with Olivia Munn is because Olivia gave birth to their son in November of 2021.

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So the timeline was not working out for him at all, so he received a lot of blowback.

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Now what do these people do when they are caught?

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We have sources dropping like crazy.

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This is why I don't think we have official statements anymore, because we're just going to use we're going to do blind gossip.

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We're going to drop to blind gossip.

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We are going to have friends of friends, unnamed sources that are going to put narratives in there.

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Now some sources are saying about Mulaney that he had asked for a divorce from Tendler three months before he started dating Munn.

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Now we don't know this.

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Nobody knows this.

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He reportedly met Munn at church in Los Angeles, and she did support her hand by liking a tweet of his.

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She breadcrumbed him that's the term when he entered rehab for alcohol and drug abuse in December of 2020.

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So they definitely knew each other.

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Now, when this was revealed, this was also after the intervention that Mulaney had that he accounted in the Baby J special, which I think you should watch.

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It's not as funny as all those other specials out there, but it's good.

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It's definitely good.

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But again, I think it's just one big official public relations statement from John Mulaney to give context to why he did what he did.

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He blamed a lot of it on addiction, which I think is smart.

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Now Tendler, though, did share some of her feelings on Instagram.

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Like she was noted as saying it was a harsh and punishing year.

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She was trying to cope with the unfathomable loss of her relationship.

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She was thrown, she was blindsided.

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I mean she made that very, very clear.

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She was not giving him an inch.

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Mulaney and Tendler finalized their divorce in January of 2022.

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So that was five months after Mulaney initially filed.

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Now the details of the settlement are not known.

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I mean, we know that she has the house in Connecticut, but John Mulaney, he did Baby J and now you can see Malcolm, baby Malcolm and Olivia and John as the happy family, and Ann Marie, I know, is dating someone new.

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But a lot of people haven't forgotten that.

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Based on the replies on that TikTok, a lot of people are still mad at John Mulaney.

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All right, another one going even further back in time, woo, do you remember Thanksgiving weekend 2000?

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Oh gosh, 2009,.

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I believe I'm going to have to fact check this one.

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I'm sorry, I think it is 2009, when the most popular golfer in the world was fleeing his home and his wife came after him with a golf club and shattered windows.

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Oh, my goodness, I remember it Clear as day because it was Thanksgiving weekend.

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I was on the Jersey Shore.

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I was supposed to work on the Friday after Thanksgiving down in DC.

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I couldn't get down to DC and I was calling my co-worker Alicia, like you need to cover for me While I was gripped by the Tiger Woods story.

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I mean, talk about a story that really got me interested in spin.

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It was that story.

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So Tiger Woods was trying to control this narrative, but every the press descended on his house in Florida.

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The helicopters were over his house oh my gosh, it was Wow.

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That was quite the spectacle.

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Now, when Tiger Woods was found out now he had an affair with do you remember the name?

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Go ahead, say it out loud Rachel Yucatel, who's boyfriend the first time we had heard of her was 9-11.

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Her boyfriend died in 9-11.

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That was the first time that we saw her, though we didn't know it was her.

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So he was married to his wife, elan, on Notre-Game Beautiful, beautiful woman.

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They had two kids, so cute.

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The younger one is a golfer now, so he did not cop to it.

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However, he did issue a general apology for his infidelity and misconduct.

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He had a press conference, and that happened in February 2010.

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So it was a couple months later, and in it he said quote I want to say to each of you, simply and directly I'm deeply sorry for my irresponsible and selfish behavior I engaged in.

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I know people want to find out how I could be so selfish and so foolish.

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People want to know how I could have done these things to my wife, elan, and to my children, and while I have always tried to be a private person, there are some things I wanted to say.

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And then he goes on to admit that he had been unfaithful to his wife with multiple women and that he Betrayed his core values and his family.

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He said he was unfaithful, he had affairs and then he cheated.

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He also said what he did was not acceptable and that he was the only person to blame.

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And then he said something that many do when they're called out on this and they have to have a press conference.

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He asked for forgiveness and understanding from his fans, his sponsors, his friends and his family.

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He said quote I asked you to find room in your heart to one day believe in me again.

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Now I think what most people believed is that he would cheat again.

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It's tiger woods now.

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They divorced in 2010.

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They were married for six years.

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They did release a joint statement when they were divorced and they said that they're sad that their marriage is over and they wish each other the best for the future, but they're going to raise their kids together.

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Now.

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What Sets apart tiger woods from other celebrities and stars is okay.

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He had a press conference.

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Back then, in 2009, people had press conferences.

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We had local television, we had national, we had cable television.

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People expected Press conferences.

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This is the time when everyone converged in one place to hear the story.

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Now, we did have In 2010.

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We did have twitter, you know.

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Certainly we had facebook, but we weren't as driven by social media news.

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This was a cable news event.

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The big reason why he had to come out and apologize and admit he didn't want to, the reason why tiger woods had to admit is because all the women he had affairs with came out.

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They completely outed him.

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He had no choice.

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But it's a matter of what was at stake for him.

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It's not just celebrity for tiger woods and how people feel about him.

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You know, reasonable people can assume Okay, tiger woods, he's on the road.

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This is a professional athlete.

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Have affairs?

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Yeah, okay, maybe, but it's with his sponsors.

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It's when it comes to money.

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He sponsors do not want to sponsor Men who cheat and are bad to their wives.

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So we had to clean the slate on that to protect the sponsorship.

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Now let's move on to someone who didn't have a sponsorship to protect, but he did have to protect his reputation and that was brad pit now.

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He never officially confirmed that he left jennifer aniston from friends for angeline and jolly, but he did admit that he fell in love with jolly on the set of the film they were shooting together, mr and mrs Smith, and they were filming during his marriage to jennifer aniston.

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In a 2008 interview with rolling stone, pitt said in the interview again, not an official statement, but just kind of slid it into an interview Quote what people don't understand is that we filmed brackets, mr Mrs Smith, for a year we were still filming after jenn and I split up even then.

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It doesn't mean that there was some kind of dastardly affair.

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There wasn't.

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I'm very proud of the way that it was handled.

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It was respectful.

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If someone I don't know me were to read between the lines of that statement he is Framing again, creating this narrative that he was with angelina during the marriage, while they were married and even after they split up.

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In other words, it wasn't some event that just shook everything and everything fell apart.

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No, everything went along just fine.

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And when he said there wasn't some kind of affair, he said a dastardly affair.

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That's probably his way to not lie In his mind.

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Brad Pitt did a dance in his mind with his conscience and said, okay, I'm not going to call this affair, I'm going to call this that I just I fell in love with angeline and jolly.

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I mean, it happened to be married, but you know what?

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Maybe it wasn't a great marriage, but I love her, so it's not dastardly, this is love.

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I mean, brad pitt said he was very proud of the way that it was handled.

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It was respectful.

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Again, it wasn't.

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It wasn't.

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Even jennifer anison had to come out and said that and said that brad pitt was missing a sensitivity chip.

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He wasn't missing a sensitivity chip.

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What he had in there was a chip that told him how to get around it.

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He knew he was being insensitive because that was the lesser of the evils Insensitive he's like.

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I'll take it.

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I will take it, but I'm not going to admit to destroying Rachel green from friends, who everybody loved.

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Now, what did he do in 2011?

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Well, something similar that ben afleck did.

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He seemed to imply that his marriage to anison was boring and unfulfilling, sparked a bit of backlash from anison's fans.

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So he told parade magazine quote I spent the 90s trying to hide out, trying to duck the full celebrity cacophony.

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I started to get sick of myself sitting on a couch holding a joint, hiding out.

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It started feeling pathetic.

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It became very clear to me that I was intent on trying to find a movie about an interesting life, but I wasn't living an interesting life myself.

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I think that my marriage Bracket to anison had something to do with it.

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Trying to pretend the marriage was something that it wasn't ouch, it's full blame.

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He's blaming jennifer aniston.

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He's blaming drugs.

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He's blaming boredom.

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He's blaming celebrity, but he's also blaming aniston.

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Pitt later clarified his statement and he said that he meant no disrespect to aniston, who he called quote an incredibly giving, loving and hilarious woman.

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And quote he also added quote it greeds me that this was interpreted this way Jen is an incredibly giving, loving and hilarious woman who remains my friend.

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It is an important relationship I value greatly.

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End, quote.

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Now who is he blaming?

00:26:06.963 --> 00:26:08.087
He's blaming the public.

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He's blaming the public that we would actually think that he was disrespecting jennifer aniston, which he was, because he was using her as a blame mechanism to get out of the affair that he was having with angeline and jolly.

00:26:19.951 --> 00:26:22.282
Now Panistin.

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I'm just gonna leave it.

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Aniston Pitt announced their separation in january of 2005 after four and a half years of marriage, so there's probably some illegal dancing in there.

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They did release a joint statement saying, quote we would like to announce that after seven years together, we've decided to formally separate.

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For those who followed these sorts of things, again blaming people like us, we would like to explain that our separation is not the result of any of the speculation reported by the tabloid media and quote so, in other words, he's dodging it.

00:26:52.364 --> 00:26:59.946
He dodged, dodged, dodge, because he's not naming what the speculation was, but of course everybody knows what it was.

00:26:59.946 --> 00:27:02.432
He had an affair with angeline and jolly.

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Angeline and jolly was a little ariana grande like because she did the same thing to billy bob thorton.

00:27:07.952 --> 00:27:13.700
His girlfriend, laura derm, was quoted as saying she well loose quote.

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I don't have it in front of me, but she said I went off to film a movie and when I got back my boyfriend was engaged Into angeline and jolly.

00:27:21.165 --> 00:27:23.145
So now, pitton, jolly.

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Their relationship went public in 2005 when they were photographed with jolly's adopted son, and then they adopted more kids and then they got married.

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They're separated and now they're going through a horrible, horrible, horrible divorce.

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Jennifer annison is in the bird seat right now saying huh, told you so.

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Now those two have acted kind of buddy buddy.

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So she's publicly forgiving him.

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So you got to give her, got to give her credit for that.

00:27:48.009 --> 00:27:50.448
But brad pitt, he's still coming out.

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He's in all these different movies.

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He's.

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He's doing okay, though he is on the down low on a lot of things.

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You don't see him out there a lot doing a lot of off the cuff things.

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Everything is scripted that he is doing because he cannot go off script, because his reputation is still tenuous While they're still going through this divorce, because there's a lot that neither one of them probably want leaked out there, which is a shame.

00:28:12.080 --> 00:28:17.964
I mean brad pitt now Jonah Hill, like two people destroyed one of my favorite movies, money ball.

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Okay, now for this next affair, which is going to be the last affair.

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I'm going into the political realm and focusing on a governor of New York.

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Which governor of New York?

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I don't know.

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It's like a head scratcher, right, but let's settle on Governor Elliot Spitzer Now.

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He was sworn into office in 2007, and he came in hot to that position.

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He wanted everyone to know.

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It was like a take no prisoners approach.

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I saw a quote from him.

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He was telling this to a New York state assembly member quote listen, I'm an F and steamroller and I'll roll over you and anybody else.

00:28:56.894 --> 00:28:58.766
Okay, you getting a sense of this guy Now?

00:28:58.945 --> 00:29:01.515
I remember reading the New York tabloids back then.

00:29:01.515 --> 00:29:02.951
So I was fascinated by Spitzer.

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And I was just as fascinated when it was revealed that he had been conducting these clandestine tris over several years with women who worked for a service.

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What type of service?

00:29:16.490 --> 00:29:18.469
Like a call service?

00:29:18.469 --> 00:29:20.233
Like a prostitution service?

00:29:20.233 --> 00:29:22.451
So he was outed.

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And do you remember what the girl's name is?

00:29:24.192 --> 00:29:34.509
This is a very interesting fact Ashley Alexandra Dupree, which, if memory serves I did not Google this, but I'm going back in time I don't think that's her real name.

00:29:34.509 --> 00:29:37.008
Do you think it's a great name?

00:29:37.008 --> 00:29:45.816
But the New York city tabloids went wild I think I read the New York Post every single day when this happened and Dupree got her own column.

00:29:45.816 --> 00:29:47.813
So she leveraged the heck out of this.

00:29:47.813 --> 00:29:49.731
So why not go, girl?

00:29:50.424 --> 00:29:53.494
So Spitzer had to resign shortly after these revelations.

00:29:53.494 --> 00:29:58.130
And do you remember him at the press conference with his wife Silda standing behind?

00:29:58.130 --> 00:30:06.354
Like the good wife, silda inspired the television show Juliana Margulies, cbs the good wife.

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Now, when Spitzer had to resign, he needed to come out with a press statement.

00:30:13.614 --> 00:30:20.731
Again, like Tiger Woods, he was bound by something His reputation mattered.

00:30:20.731 --> 00:30:25.933
He couldn't just walk away from this because one his ego needed to come back in some capacity.

00:30:25.933 --> 00:30:29.213
So he needed to put everything on the record.

00:30:29.213 --> 00:30:36.865
He needed to publicly atone, which is what he did, which, again, compared to other celebrities, they'll try and wriggle out of it Now.

00:30:36.865 --> 00:30:42.990
When he resigned, he apologized to his family, he apologized to the public.

00:30:42.990 --> 00:30:46.992
He talked about having private feelings.

00:30:46.992 --> 00:30:48.616
Does this sound familiar?

00:30:48.616 --> 00:30:50.412
Does it sound like Tiger Woods?

00:30:50.412 --> 00:30:59.352
I guarantee you, when his team was putting together a statement for Tiger Woods, yeah, they were researching this speech, without a doubt, this resignation speech.

00:30:59.352 --> 00:31:08.769
So he expressed remorse for betraying the trust of his constituents and his colleagues and said he hoped to, just like Tiger Woods, earn their forgiveness.

00:31:08.769 --> 00:31:13.730
And he was succeeded by Lieutenant Governor David Patterson in 2008.

00:31:13.730 --> 00:31:17.394
Elliott Spitzer he was on CNN for a while.

00:31:17.394 --> 00:31:19.010
He ran again for office.

00:31:19.010 --> 00:31:29.893
He's now pretty much a private citizen, but that was a scandal again that forced someone to come into the public, into the spotlight, and publicly atone for it and admit what happened.

00:31:30.744 --> 00:31:41.949
Now here's the fun fact, side note Ashley Dupree, who was the woman who Elliott Spitzer had a trist with and, if you remember he always had to wear the socks.

00:31:41.949 --> 00:31:46.712
Client number nine she is the stepmother of Alex Earl.

00:31:46.712 --> 00:31:48.189
Is that name familiar?

00:31:48.189 --> 00:31:51.273
She is this huge TikTok influencer.

00:31:51.273 --> 00:31:53.164
She has over 5.6 million followers.

00:31:53.164 --> 00:31:57.616
She just gave huge scholarship to the University of Miami.

00:31:57.616 --> 00:31:59.010
I mean, this girl's huge.

00:31:59.010 --> 00:32:00.349
How did she get so big?

00:32:00.349 --> 00:32:03.073
How does she know how to become famous?

00:32:03.073 --> 00:32:04.195
I don't know.

00:32:04.195 --> 00:32:18.595
I'm thinking that her mom, her stepmother, her mom actually is quite cute, but her mom was the collateral damage in her father's affair with Ashley Dupree, and now she's Alex Earl's stepmother full circle.

00:32:18.595 --> 00:32:22.554
So now let's come back to TikTok and Ethan Slater.

00:32:22.554 --> 00:32:34.455
Ethan Slater because we are now dealing with celebrity infidelity in 2023, it's a lot different than it was in the Tiger Woods, elliott Spitzer, anthony Wiener days.

00:32:35.045 --> 00:32:36.229
Even Arnold Schwarzenegger.

00:32:36.229 --> 00:32:42.932
He sat on the affair with his housekeeper that resulted in the birth of his son, joseph, who's the same age as the son Patrick.

00:32:42.932 --> 00:32:48.633
It took Arnold Schwarzenegger years to really come out and start talking about it and he admitted to it.

00:32:48.633 --> 00:32:53.334
He didn't deny it, but he talked about a certain shame in 2023.

00:32:53.334 --> 00:32:59.930

252: Behind Closed Doors: Unraveling the PR Spin of Celebrity Affairs

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